Ep 079: Leadership & the Race Conversation, Part 2 Dr. David Anderson and David Livermore Ph.D.

TOPICS IN THIS PODCAST

Diversity Leading Others

Our nation continues to be stirred by racial injustice and social unrest. At the Global Leadership Network, we recognize these universal issues require leaders to step up and engage. Research shows increasing diversity on teams and in every sector of society improves productivity and morale, adding value within organizations. In this episode of the GLS Podcast, we asked Dr. David Anderson and Dr. David Livermore to continue their conversation on racial and cultural intelligence. They explore the tough topics—institutional racism, the efficacy of protest, the concept of reverse-racism and what you can do to lead with truth and grace in this cultural moment.

On This Podcast

Dr. David Anderson

BridgeLeader Network

Dr. David Anderson, founder and President of the BridgeLeader Network (BLN), is one of the world’s leading authorities on building bridges across the deep divides of race, faith, culture and wealth. Known as the bridge-building voice in the Nation's Capital, Anderson hosts the daily radio talk show "Real Talk with Dr. David Anderson" on WAVA (105.1 FM) – the most listened to Christian Talk Station on the East Coast and the 2nd most listened to Christian Talk station in the nation.

David Livermore, PhD

Cultural Intelligence Center

David Livermore is a social scientist in global leadership and cultural intelligence—the capability to relate effectively across culturally diverse situations which transcend ethnic, organizational, generational, gender and other contexts. As president and partner at the Cultural Intelligence Center, he has provided training and consulting in 100 countries. Livermore has authored several books, including Leading with Cultural Intelligence and Driven by Difference: How Global Companies Fuel Innovation through Diversity.

Lori Hermann

Global Leadership Network

Lori is the Executive Producer at the Global Leadership Network. The GLN is a community committed to learning from each other and using their influence to inspire and equip world-class leadership that ignites transformation. Lori leads a team of content curators and developers, producers and artists as they design and execute the Global Leadership Summit and year-round leadership development events, tools and resources. The GLS reaches more than 400,000 individuals around the globe each year with world-class leadership development. Lori has a passion to create opportunities that help others develop into the best version of themselves and has done that from the beginning of her career in health education at an HMO, the Arthritis Foundation and American Heart Association. She then brought her strategic gifts and event experience to Willow Creek Community Church where she led creative teams to produce weekend services, special events, conferences and church resources. In 2000 she transitioned to the Willow Creek Association (now known as the Global Leadership Network) to lead the Arts Ministry Business Segment and in 2013 became the Executive Producer of the Global Leadership Summit, as well as the year-round resources and events.

Show Notes

SUMMARY:

KEY TAKEAWAYS:

David Anderson’s BridgeLeader Network helps organizations deal with the deep divides of race and culture. Wherever there’s a divide, we put a table right there and have a conversation.
David Anderson wanted to start a church where people from every race and culture could worship together.
As a black man in America, there are certain things that are going to come my way. That’s reality. It doesn’t matter how much money you make, and it doesn’t matter how much of an athlete or mathlete you are.
After Rodney King, I never thought that 22–years later my son would be dealing with the same things.

When I was nine years old, someone burned a cross in our front yard.
When I was in high school, a kid called me the N-word on the bus every day.
A couple of years ago, in my own neighborhood where I’ve lived 19 years, I was pulled over because I made a neighbor “uncomfortable”.
I don’t think there is such a thing as reverse racism. That would mean the whole system has turned over so that that white folk don’t succeed. If a white person feels discrimination, they should take that feeling and increase their empathy for people of color who feel it all the time.
There are two levels of racism: individual racism and institutional racism.

Institutional or indirect racism means there are institutions and systems that are set up solely to push certain people in and certain people out.
Institutional racism is prejudice plus power.
The best friend of the black person right now is a camera phone.
When black people protest, it usually gets labelled as violent unrest by white people.
Colin Kaepernick kneeling for the flag is about as peaceful protest as you are going to get. And yet, it caused a controversy and he lost his job.

Violence is wrong. Peaceful protest is what we’ve always tried to do. Sadly, it usually ends up with the most peaceful protester getting killed. Ask Martin Luther King. Ask Jesus Christ.
Protests actually work. Within 10 days of sustained protest, Minneapolis banned the use of choke holds. Within 10 days of sustained protest, Dallas adopted a duty to intervene rule. Nobody was listening to the dude kneeling on the sidelines.
When the BridgeLeader Network comes into a city, we pull together the six Ps: pastors, protestors, police, private sector business, public and private educators and politicians. When people get around the same table, solutions emerge because people get out of their own silos.
Once they come together, protesters learn that the police respect their right to protest. And at the same time, the officers have a right to do their job as well.
“Gracism” means that we are called to extend positive favor to other people, regardless or maybe even because of their color, class or culture.

Stay in relationships with people who are different than you across color lines and don’t isolate yourself to your racial group. This is not the time to shrink back.
For my white brothers and sisters who have said to me, “But doc, I try, and I don’t want to say the wrong thing. I just want to be a listener and I just want to be a learner.” Okay—but be courageous. It’s okay to be called a racist. I’ve been called the N word more times than you’ll ever be called a racist.
Courage means you might be called a racist, it’s okay. But if that’s what it takes for this beast of systemic racism lose its power once and for all, then I’m willing to be a little bit uncomfortable. Stand with me.
Be intentional about going to places where people are racially different from you.
I have to be a multicultural personbefore I can have a multicultural ministry.

Diverse readers are diverse leaders.
Speak up to your own racial group right now. Whites need to talk to whites to help them. And I’ve got to talk to my people– black folk– and say, “Look, I know the pain. I feel it with you. God has called us to something even greater.”

REFLECTION QUESTIONS:

1. Dr. David Anderson told several stories about racism that he has experienced in his life. How have you experienced or witnessed racism in your life?

2. What did you think about Dr. Anderson’s comments on reverse racism and institutional racism? Do you see those issues as a problem? How do you think we solve issues that are systemic in nature?

3. Dr. Anderson shared some practical things people could do to change to become more diverse in their leadership mindsets. Take a look at the list below and make a checkmark next to the actions that would be possible in your life.

_________Stand with African American brothers and sisters in protest

_________Use your power in your organization to promote greater racial inclusion

_________ Intentionally build a relationship with someone of a different race

_________Have a tough conversation and be willing to be called a racist

_________ Intentionally go to places where people are racially different than you

_________ Diversify your feeds by following people of a different race

_________ Diversify your reading by purchasing books by authors of a different race

_________ Talk to people in your own racial group about what you are experiencing

4. Taking a look at your checkmarks, what isone thing you could do this week to increase your participation in the race conversation? Put a date in your calendar and do it!